Albert Bandura
What does it mean?
How does it relate to Chapter 10?
What concrete example of this idea can you find in the novel?
How does it relate to Chapter 10?
What concrete example of this idea can you find in the novel?
mercredi 11 décembre 2013
Quote of the Day - Chapter 10
Group decision making is another
common bureaucratic practice that enables otherwise considerate people to
behave inhumanely, because no single individual feels responsible for policies
arrived at collectively. Where everyone is responsible, no one is really
responsible.
Albert Bandura
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if I understand this quote correctly, it means that when there are many people involved in taking a decision, or in doing a bad thing, because there are many others involved it is easier to not take responsibility for what has been done, because it is everyones fault, and not just one person. Therefore no one is really responsible because everyone is responsible.
RépondreEffacerThis relates to chapter 10 because after the boys have killed Simon, none of them really take responsibility for it, or blame anyone for it because they were all apart of the dance, they all attacked Simon, it was not one persons wrong doing, but the fault of the whole group of boys, we can see this when Ralph is talking to Piggy and says that they committed a murder, but Piggy is very quick to defend himself and Ralph so that he does not take the blame:
'Piggy.'
'Uh?'
'That was murder.'
'You stop it! What good're you talking like that? It was dark. There was that -- that bloody dance. There was lightning and thunder and rain. We was scared!' (p.172-173)
This relates a lot to this chapter. I like what you said Cloé about nobody taking the blame. This relates to real life too. If a group makes a decision and it is a bad one, nobody is willing to take the blame if something bad happens. I wonder if the boys will ever realize there really is no beast and all Simon was trying to do was help them.
EffacerI agree with what you guys are saying, no one wants to blame themselves, even if it was like a group decision it is all of their faults
EffacerI agree with both of you, the fact that Piggy was trying to make up excuses about how it wasn't their fault may have also been a strategy to take their minds off of the murder, Piggy is trying to make everyone forget about the incident so they try and fix their already corrupted community.
EffacerI agree that it may have come off as diffusion of responsibility by the boys, as it's easier for them to justify to themselves their evil acts. Though they are kids and sometimes I think the overall feeling of the "crowd" if you could call it that, is like a wave dragging you along with it, against your will.
EffacerYa, and with this diffusion of responsibility we get to see a new side of Piggy who always seemed to be the most civilized of all the boys. But, now we see that Piggy is somewhat similar to Jack and the savages by diffusing the responsibility and refusing any form of guilt.
EffacerI agree with you Jacob. Piggy stands by his argument that he and Ralph should not feel guilt for Simon's death because according to him, Simon's death was but a misunderstanding. But truth is, in this instance, Ralph and Piggy should feel guilt for the things they did not do to prevent Simon's death (i.e. not taking a stand or speaking out before Simon's miserable death). It's pretty easy to say that all of the boys are equally at fault for Simon's death, but not one of them will accept the guilt.
EffacerI think that group decision making can lead to negative consequences because a group will be more confident about taking a certain decision, while a single person might doubt his decision or would not have the guts to take it. When you are in a group, you usually feel more confident about a decision because you have the approval of others. But sometimes all the members of the group are wrong.
EffacerWell said Alex, Ralph and Piggy just kinda stood there and did nothing. Now none of the boys will take the blame for killing Simon
EffacerEveryone has good points. There's definitely power in numbers and i feel like so often we tend to be swayed toward the majority, its like unconsciously we just side with the majority to fit in and be accepted. But yeah Camille its so true that if the majority is voting for the wrong decision then things can get ugly.
EffacerI think all the boys should feel guilty of course and not just dismiss this event because otherwise they'll never learn from it. I they recognize their mistakes, as horrible as it may have been, they can grown from it.
EffacerIt relates alot to this chapter, when a person feels guilty for doing something they tend to find something or someone to blame to remove the guilt this always help the soruation when the other person was not alone doing it
RépondreEffacer*situation
EffacerYeah it's very true that when some people get in stressful situations where they are blamed for something, they find it easier to pin it on someone else to take some heat off themselves.
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